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smudges's avatar

Agree with quote? Disagree? Something else? see details.

Asked by smudges (10762points) 1 week ago

“Everyone is a murderer; all it takes is a good reason and a bad day.”

From the movie, “Inside Man” (2022) with Stanley Tucci <3! (currently on Netflix).

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smudges's avatar

sorry, not a movie…4 episode limited series.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

I don’t know, but I have heard that most people will take to the streets after 3 missed meals.

I have heard people joking that they could be a murderer if they miss the morning coffee.

Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory was told that he was one lab accident from becoming a super villan.

janbb's avatar

That’s a clever quote but I truly don’t think I could murder anyone. Perhaps, just perhaps, if I or my children were under attack but even then, I’m not sure I would have the nerve. I don’t keep a murder weapon in my house for that reason too.

Kropotkin's avatar

I think a lot of people could be socialised and conditioned to be potential murderers. I think everyone is just the sum of their experiences, genes, and environmental and social pressures, and those things and unique circumstances determine whether someone will murder.

I suspect a good reason and a bad day is not sufficient for everyone at all, or even many people.

ragingloli's avatar

Or indoctrination, conditioning, being lied to, ordered to. For King and Country. For the Fatherland. For “honour”. For “duty”.
Every single Wehrmacht soldier was a murderer, or an accessory to murder. And 4 million of them got what they deserved for it.

smudges's avatar

I think it’s over-simplified, but if I had the means, and it was me or them, I believe I could kill someone. It might haunt me for the rest of my days, but if I was alive because they weren’t, it might not.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I would opine, that we are ALL animals. In that reality, we are confined to behavior that can originate in instinctive, primal places in our minds.
Emotional reactions (especially instant reactions,) can activate the animals within us.
In those moments, I believe a person is capable of at least attempting almost anything. Violence, is NEVER all the way off the table.

And of course we have instincts, and hormones, that shape our behavior. Again, at times reactions can be extreme.

“Murder.”
Is a bit too sinister, to me, to justify easily.
Killing a person, is another action.
Even inaction, could result in a person dying.

As with most animal species, it does not benefit us, to engage in physical/possibly mortal conflict within our same species.
And so, we have “laws.”

This is where it’s REALLY important to remember that not everyone has the same “laws,” or even morality.

I do believe that there are, unfortunately, times when killing another person is the best option.
I’m not what I used to be, but if you tried to stab me in an alley I would take that as an indication that our lives are at risk.
In that example, I fight to stop the attack, but use techniques that could/should kill the attacker.
In such an instance, I would be no different from a wild animal. I don’t ever choose flight, I go with fight. I stand my ground, and that’s what it is.
If I wanted, I could think of many scenarios where killing someone is the “right” decision.

In my former career in law enforcement, I saw all types of people, involved with things that you would never expect by glancing at them.

When pushed to a point, we all have a breaking point. At that moment, we are more animal than human.

I’m no killer. I would happily live the rest of my days, without ever hurting anyone.

Unfortunately. I (as we all are,) am just a player in this game.
Laws are great. They don’t always apply, to most.
If we were followed around, we would all be guilty of breaking a law. Even if you’re doing 19 mph, in a 15 mph zone, you’re breaking THE law.

I agree very much, with the sentiment expressed in the quote.
I would add. Never underestimate people. They are capable of amazing, or sadistic things. You never know who, you’re seated across from on a train. Who did what, to your food.

Most play this game, where we pretend to be more than advanced primates.

The human race exists in its current state, as a direct result of humanity out dueling what recent science has discovered were many advanced primates that lived in similar areas, and times.
Research indicates, some people still carry Neanderthal genes. As humans out-competed, and eventually was the only advanced primate left.
One that does not peacefully coexist with nature, but rather conquered, and harnessed it.

Think of all the things we have been responsible for making extinct.

Think of ANY nation, and you will have to admit to the fact the land you inhabit, has been fought over, killed over, murdered over, raped over, by the people before you.

Murder, is a human construct. However. I have stated before, when I watch a lion kill a hyena and not even eat it, I see that as murder. The lion even exhibits anger, and enjoyment of the act, while killing it’s ancient competition. Just because.
And lions are only around, because their father murdered all of their mother’s other cubs, after killing her previous mate, and then destroying his bloodline. That’s PRETTY cold…

Murder/killing, IS the human story.

Interesting facts.
According to Google.
The chance of being murdered is 1, out of 157.
But that varies.
For example, it states that ”*non-white males, had a 1 out of 29 chance of dying by homicide.

It sounds like plenty of people, are capable of murder.

KNOWITALL's avatar

I believe it’s true for certain types of people in special circumstances, yes.
Most of us never choose violence but that doesn’t mean we aren’t capable of such in defense of our family, etc…

zenvelo's avatar

Both the quote and the discussion seem to imply that one coul deasily becaome a murder, which implies that all killing of another human is murder.

But even the criminal justice system disagrees with that, which is why there are different degrees of murder and manslaughter.

I posit that very few people are capable of premeditated murder. But killing in a hot moment or ina fit of rage is a different matter.

smudges's avatar

^^ ... or in self-defense.

JLeslie's avatar

In self defense I hope I have the mental and physical strength to kill someone trying to seriously harm or kill me. That situation is different to me than the OP. At minimum seriously injure them if that is the only way I can escape.

smudges's avatar

The “good reason” could easily be that someone is out to hurt us. I do believe that the quote is over-simplified.

gondwanalon's avatar

Everyone has the potential to kill someone.

I use to have a 9 mm Beretta. Got rid of it because I don’t want to kill anyone. That’s why I bought a high powered Byrna CO2 black pistol. It’s a non lethal self protection pistol. Looks like a Glock pistol. Shoots paintball sized balls filled with tear-gass/pepper spray and also hard balls (that can penetrate a floor backer-board at 30 feet. Just pointing this Byrna pistol at a home intruder will likely make them run. But it they don’t run then I’ll quickly empty 2 magazines into the intruder. Then I run like hell to safety (while the intruder rolls around on the floor screaming).

https://byrna.com/

SnipSnip's avatar

I don’t like that type of overgeneralization, thus do not agree.

smudges's avatar

Thanks for the link, @gondwanalon. I’ve wanted to own a gun for self-protection for a number of years but have had mixed feelings. As such, I have never gotten around to doing anything.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Ideally. If you were interested in a firearm, I would recommend that you take a brief or deep course on operating a firearm.

Unfortunately. In America, one can buy a firearm, and bullets, without ever even having picked one up.

Firearms are extremely dangerous.

Basic understanding of simply how to know if the weapon is loaded, or not is important if you don’t want to accidentally fire the weapon.

Owning a firearm, is a huge responsibility, and requires some very important safety habits from the beginning.
You can NEVER be too safe.
You need to build respect for firearms safety, over anything else.
Go to a local pistol range. I guarantee that they have beginner courses. Some cater specifically to females.

IF one has not done a thorough self-analysis about the ethics, and how you would feel after KILLING someone.
If you haven’t done that mental homework, you will hesitate if you ever (God forbid) have to use a firearm to defend your life.
If you aren’t that person, that’s perfectly okay. There are alternatives, to firearms.
But. If you aren’t willing to kill someone, there is little reason for even owning a firearm.

When I bounced, I could have worn body armor, and a sidearm. But, it was up to my discretion.
I only kept a metal stool by the entrance, that looked normal to everyone, but to me it was what I used to deal with people with knives.
EVERYONE who worked for/with me, has had to “go get my chair!”

I went through several training classes, courses, and certifications about firearms, and using them as a LEO.
I have been slashed/stabbed, several times, but I was always able to disarm people with my hands, or nearby metal objects.

I almost got into a fight with a guy I met in an alley, in Scottsdale AZ. He was drunk, and msd about something. I spoke to him, for a while, and I gave him one of the beers I had just bought. He was from Bosnia, and was extremely interesting to speak with.
It was about 3AM, and I just saw him walking to get beer.
After a fascinating read, he started getting closer, and closer, and his eyes had bad intentions.
He was upset about his daughter dating a (I’ll say) “minority.” I was explaining that in America, we don’t sweat those things. We just want good people, for our children.
He took great offense to this concept.
While we were talking I was walking him slowly over to a big pile of cactus looking things.
They looked menacing.
He was sizing me up, and his body language kept telling me he was about to swing on me, or hit me with his beer bottle.
While he was sizing me up, I worked his feet. It was apparent he understood some form of martial art. He moved well, but I steered him to where his back was to the cactus thing. At that point, I was 90% sure, that I was about to push this drunk bigot into cactus. I noted, in my mind, this will be a first, using cactus for defense.
Luckily. I eventually talked him down, and bribed him with another beer and cigarette.
I LOVE, that I ended the situation with no violence. But. Pushing him into that plant, would have badly injured him.
But. He worked his way into that situation.
At that time, if he died from me not letting him sucker punch me, I didn’t care. I was just meeting his intensity. His eyes told me he was going to try and kill me…
It’s not like that would have ended it. I would have been pelting him with our beer bottles while he struggled in the cactus.

I have had countless such encounters. I realized long ago, I’m surrounded by weapons.
Corner of a bar, is a weapon.
The floor.

Firearms, I would say, make the act of killing someone, likely easier. In practice, but not reality. Hunters will tell you about “Buck Fever.”
Or. A lack of better way to explain how many people hesitate, or cannot pull the trigger on a live animal. Usually it happens on someone’s first hunt.
Then.
Perhaps this is very relevant to this thread.
After someone KILLS, it crosses a mental line.
I do not believe humans naturally enjoy killing.
In many tribal beliefs, taking the life of an animal, even for sustenance, is a BIG deal.
The taken animal, is given as much respect, as possible.

Once people kill something, I believe it changes them.

I ultimately want to say, that killing is something we are all capable of, but it should really be ethically processed.
I told my other bouncers, that having to put our hands on someone, is a failure.
Regardless of the scenario.
And in those situations where we had to be violent, we should never take that as a win.
The episode should be turned over in one’s mind, and examined for opportunities where we could have deescalated the incident without violence.

It’s not a bad thing, if someone just can’t do it. I admire that.
That’s another reason I didn’t carry, while bouncing. I felt that if I didn’t have a pistol, it was highly unlikely that I would shoot someone.
That came with the notion that I could be killed, because I wasn’t carrying. But. I would rather die, than have shot someone on duty…

In my personal time, that’s a different story. If you can convince me, you’re an imminent threat to me, I’ll not be trying to nullify, like when I was a LEO. I will be trying to stop;
A. Your impending/current attack.
B. Your ability to be a future threat.

I think that everyone should have that right, to stop someone from hurting them at whatever cost.
There are legal ways, of handling most issues.
“Taking the law into your own hands,” should be an absolute last resort.
For me. Extreme circumstances, call for extreme measures.

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